It is likely one of the greatest speaking factors from the Manchester Metropolis case.
Ought to Metropolis be stripped of the eight trophies they gained between 2009 and 2018, the interval through which they had been accused of breaking Premier League monetary guidelines?
Judging by social media, many followers of rival golf equipment are actually hoping for such an consequence.
Nonetheless BBC Sport has been instructed there was little urge for food from throughout the Premier League – each the organisation and golf equipment – for previous titles to be stripped from Metropolis
Does that put an finish to it?
Not fairly, as the choice will probably be made by an impartial panel which is but to carry the "sanction listening to". Which means it can’t be fully dominated out, though a factors deduction, enormous advantageous or probably even expulsion from the Premier League are considered extra seemingly.
Right here, BBC Sport analyses this troublesome concern and choice the panel is now going through.
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"I feel we nonetheless have an opportunity to win that league… after which they must pay me the bonus and provides me the medal."
It was nearly two years in the past that Jose Mourinho mischievously raised the likelihood that his former membership Manchester United could possibly be handed the 2018 Premier League title held by Manchester Metropolis.
Below Mourinho, United completed second to Metropolis by 19 factors in 2018, his closing full marketing campaign in cost at Previous Trafford.
Metropolis have all the time denied wrongdoing. However now we all know they’ve been discovered responsible of the vast majority of the 115 costs, was Mourinho proper?
Premier League guidelines don’t instantly make reference to such a sanction, with a advantageous, factors deduction or expulsion listed as attainable punishments. Nonetheless, additionally they enable for a disciplinary fee panel to impose a penalty "because it shall suppose match". That theoretically might embrace retrospectively-applied factors deductions, or the stripping of titles.
Many will argue that if upheld after any attraction, the character and scale of the wrongdoing Metropolis have been discovered responsible of warrants akin to sanction on the premise that titles had been gained unfairly, and any misrepresentation of income and prices gave them a vital aggressive benefit.
Metropolis had been accused of a variety of rule breaches, centred round claims that they inflated sponsorship income from linked firms and made different "off the books" funds to bypass soccer's monetary guidelines.
So with a cloud hanging over the trophy-laden period Metropolis have loved for the reason that takeover of the membership by Abu Dhabi billionaire Sheikh Mansour in 2008, might asterisks now be utilized to the titles Metropolis gained throughout the interval through which they’ve been discovered to have damaged the foundations?
May they be left clean? Or, as implied by Mourinho, reallocated to these groups who completed runners-up to Metropolis?
These golf equipment are:
Premier League
2011-12: Manchester United
2013-14: Liverpool
2017-18: Manchester United
FA Cup
2010-11: Stoke Metropolis
EFL Cup
2013-14: Sunderland
2015-16: Liverpool
2017-18: Arsenal
Group Defend
2012-13 Chelsea
Such a transfer would threaten to open the proverbial can of worms, elevating questions over different accomplishments.
As an illustration, there may be now scepticism in direction of the assorted trophies Chelsea gained within the 2010s, after the membership had been discovered to have made s to brokers over transfers, between 2011 and 2018.
Some will ask that if retrospective motion is utilized to Metropolis, ought to the identical not occur to Chelsea?
It’s inconceivable to know precisely to what extent Metropolis benefited on the sphere from their rule breaches. And which gamers they could not have been in a position to afford if they’d adhered to the rules.
And what in regards to the interval between December 2018 and February 2023, when Metropolis stand accused of a failure to co-operate with Premier League investigations?
Ought to retrospective motion be utilized then too? Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool completed runners-up to Pep Guardiola's Metropolis twice throughout that point. Final yr, the German coach joked he would host a celebration in his backyard if his former membership had been abruptly awarded these titles.
Some will conclude that the rule breaches between 2009 and 2018 helped Metropolis to put the foundations on which Guardiola constructed on to realize a lot success, culminating within the Treble triumph of 2023. Does that come into scope? The place does it finish?
For some, the mass reallocation of titles over such a protracted interval would threat making a mockery of Premier League historical past, jeopardising its popularity and business viability. Others would argue that some 17 years after the primary alleged breach, and with Metropolis accused of distorting the competitors over a number of seasons, severe harm has already been performed to the league's standing.
And whereas there isn’t any Premier League precedent, such considerations haven’t prevented such punishments being utilized earlier than in soccer. Juventus had the Serie A titles they gained in 2005 and 2006 revoked because of the Calciopoli match-fixing scandal – when 5 Italians groups had been penalised for trying to affect outcomes by selecting sure referees. The primary title was left clean by authorities, with the second reallocated to Inter Milan.
There may be additionally a British precedent. Elgin Metropolis gained the 1992-93 Highland League, however had been later stripped of the title after having been discovered to have fielded ineligible gamers.
There are examples in different sports activities too. In 2012, Lance Armstrong was stripped of his seven Tour de France titles by the UCI, biking's governing physique, for doping. And the reallocation of medals has turn out to be commonplace in athletics because of constructive medicine checks that may emerge lengthy after occasions have taken place.
In instances akin to Metropolis's, involving monetary rule breaches, the argument for such a punishment is extra difficult. Many will see it as unfair that gamers and followers unconnected to any rule breaches ought to endure by shedding titles.
On Friday, former Metropolis midfielder Rodri dismissed discuss of the membership being stripped of a few of the titles they gained.
"What we did, they can not take out of us," he added.
"It's one thing that’s not paid by cash. It's paid with effort, with the harm, with, you recognize, being shoulder to shoulder every single day.
"I can let you know that every thing was deserved, and I'm glad that I might reside the most effective eras of English soccer in right here."
Others, nevertheless, will insist the rewriting of historical past is the one method of restoring the competitors's official document, and rewarding golf equipment that competed throughout the guidelines.
By way of retrospective motion, the compensation claims for misplaced earnings that a number of golf equipment are identified to be contemplating launching towards Metropolis are extra seemingly than the stripping of titles.
A lawyer instructed me: "The query isn't whether or not the golf equipment can take authorized motion… it's: The place does the road of people that have a case really finish?
"The golf equipment who didn't win/qualify/keep up; the gamers who didn't get bonuses, contract extensions; the employees who missed out on bonuses; the brokers who didn't get their uplift on their participant offers…
"It's countless and probably so damaging to the entire ecosystem."
No matter occurs, extra division and disruption appears assured.
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